UNC and Duke

**Unchained** · January 21st, 2010, 12:07 AM

Sure looked great again tonight didn't they?

The wheels have fallen off the wagon as of late. I love it.

**R13** · January 21st, 2010, 12:35 AM

UNC just hasn't rebounded like I thought they would, the team after the 05' ship bounced back(tarheel fans were spoiled), but there was definitely a lot of struggling - this team is struggling a little more. When losing Lawson/Hansborough and company, it's going to take some time. These injuries haven't helped, Ed Davis being out tonight sure didn't, but a game they still should have won. I did see some improvements with handling the ball better, the Wear twins are great and I mean they bust their ass every play...might not be a Hans or Ty, but hustle role players that will be a piece to a title in a few years. Just the 5 Freshman look very, very promising. I'm hoping they'll work the kinks out and do some damage in the ACC tourney and maybe get somewhere in the NCAA tourney.

With all that said, dropping 3 in a roll just doesn't happen, not since Roy...but not it has, I believe that's where it will stop. They have a 6 day rest I think?, then Davis should be back and ready to play(hurts when you're without the teams leading rebounder, block shots, and leader of the ACC in FG%) against that Wolfpack.

**yankeebaseball** · January 21st, 2010, 12:47 AM

Yeah, no way a team can compete with a bunch of freshman playing. Especially if you have two freshman in the back court together, a freshman center, sophomore wing man and a lone junior at power forward.

Shew, could be a long season for the Cats

**burton2019** · January 21st, 2010, 08:51 AM

We all can't be as good as UVA is this year.

**Biggin** · January 21st, 2010, 05:04 PM

bray, not everybody can have the bets player in the nation

and yall laughed when I said Roy W. was soo overrated and Cal was the better coach

**gcdevil22** · January 22nd, 2010, 09:45 PM

how does this prove Cal is the better coach?

UK returned an ALL-SEC player to go with a bunch of 5-star recruits...haven't had any injuries, and outside of Jodie Meeks, didn't really lose anyone from their previous squad

UNC lost 3 players to the NBA draft, including a guy who is the ACC's all-time scorer, and have dealt with injuries all season to not just 3 of their players, but the 3 best players they have

does UK win with any combination of Wall, Patterson and Cousins on the bench with injuries??

UK's freshmen are one-and-done types, Carolina hasn't had to recruit one-and-done types because they've been so deep that they could take players with a high ceiling and turn them into good players when they got experience

you force decent players into starting roles with the schedule they've played and you better believe they're going to struggle a little bit...Carolina will be fine, and this group of freshmen will probably get a title before they're done

if Calipari doesn't win it all this year with the amount of talent that he has, then there's no way he can even be considered in the top 5 coaches right now in college basketball...and i really don't believe they will win it

**Biggin** · January 22nd, 2010, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by gcdevil22

how does this prove Cal is the better coach?

UK returned an ALL-SEC player to go with a bunch of 5-star recruits...haven't had any injuries, and outside of Jodie Meeks, didn't really lose anyone from their previous squad

UNC lost 3 players to the NBA draft, including a guy who is the ACC's all-time scorer, and have dealt with injuries all season to not just 3 of their players, but the 3 best players they have

does UK win with any combination of Wall, Patterson and Cousins on the bench with injuries??

UK's freshmen are one-and-done types, Carolina hasn't had to recruit one-and-done types because they've been so deep that they could take players with a high ceiling and turn them into good players when they got experience

you force decent players into starting roles with the schedule they've played and you better believe they're going to struggle a little bit...Carolina will be fine, and this group of freshmen will probably get a title before they're done

if Calipari doesn't win it all this year with the amount of talent that he has, then there's no way he can even be considered in the top 5 coaches right now in college basketball...and i really don't believe they will win it

now see thats a load of horse ****.
Kentucky starts THREE freshman, how can you possibly expect three 18 year olds to make no mistakes and be the favorite to win it all?

you just said yourself the team is the young, the youngest in the top 10, how can you say that doesnt show Cal is a better coach???

UNC doesnt get the big name recruits is also a huge steaming pile of dog sh1t. they consistently finish in the top 5 of recruiting, yet they cant reload, but a team like UK, that has been down for a while, can just bring in 5 players and be a title contender??

UNC and UK are VERY similar situations. One senior starter, and the rest, very talented young guys. UNC is even MORE experienced than UK, Davis who has been hurt, Larry Drew, Deon Thompson etc..

you are having a huge double standard. its okay for UNC to suffer and lose some games, but UK, who is YOUNGER and less experienced than even UNC, is expected to win it all??

If you are saying that, then you HAVE to say Cal is better than cryin Roy

**yankeebaseball** · January 23rd, 2010, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by gcdevil22

how does this prove Cal is the better coach?

UK returned an ALL-SEC player to go with a bunch of 5-star recruits...haven't had any injuries, and outside of Jodie Meeks, didn't really lose anyone from their previous squad

UNC lost 3 players to the NBA draft, including a guy who is the ACC's all-time scorer, and have dealt with injuries all season to not just 3 of their players, but the 3 best players they have

does UK win with any combination of Wall, Patterson and Cousins on the bench with injuries??

UK's freshmen are one-and-done types, Carolina hasn't had to recruit one-and-done types because they've been so deep that they could take players with a high ceiling and turn them into good players when they got experience

you force decent players into starting roles with the schedule they've played and you better believe they're going to struggle a little bit...Carolina will be fine, and this group of freshmen will probably get a title before they're done

if Calipari doesn't win it all this year with the amount of talent that he has, then there's no way he can even be considered in the top 5 coaches right now in college basketball...and i really don't believe they will win it

Have you not followed college basketball?
Kentucky didint return 6 players from last season, only Patterson, Miller and Stevenson saw the floor. Liggins refused to even go in one game last year. I would put Kentucky with Bledsoe, Miller, Liggins, Patterson and Cousins with Orton and Dodson off the bench against any team in the NCAA, Wall separates them and makes them 18-0 right now, without him I dont think they'd be undefeated, however they would still be a top 10 team. Facts are the only one and done player is Wall. And thats how it is. Cal is a great Coach, his style of play is what attracts the "one and done" type you say. The dribble drive, the prep for the NBA types, to say Cal isnt a great coach is silly. Success at UMASS, Memphis and Kentucky, and dont give me any BS of NCAA infractions, the same situation with Wall happened with the kid at Duke, however he wasnt John Wall.

does UK win with any combination of Wall, Patterson and Cousins on the bench with injuries??

Yes, Orton would step in and fill in for either Cousins or PPatt, Wall is someone who you just dont replace, Bledsoe, Dodson, Miller and Liggins are all capable of great play, not Wall play because he is a phenom, but high level play, yes.

I give credit when its due, UNC had a great group last year, so does Kansas and Texas this year, if KU loses Henry are they a 1 loss team? If UNC doesnt have Tyler last year, do they win it all? You can say that about any team.

But hey, UK is playing great, Cal is a great fit, his style just like when Pitino came breathed life into the program again, facts are facts. Other programs rise and fall, flash in the pan.

Carolina, DUKE, UCLA and Kentucky just take turns, the name recruits the players, unless you do something like hire Billy Clyde or have Tubby just go off the deep end recruiting kids from canada left and right, those 4 will always be at the top. They will have doesn years and years where most teams would consider it a HUGE success, they consider failures.

**gcdevil22** · January 23rd, 2010, 01:40 AM

I'm saying just because UK is having a better year, does not mean Calipari is better than Williams...neither of them suck, they are both really good coaches in their own right, but Williams has accomplished a lot more and is consistently better than most coaches/programs

**yankeebaseball** · January 23rd, 2010, 01:44 AM

Yeah, but at Kansas and UNC, you almost have to try and mess up not to be successful at those programs. see Gillespe (sp) I cant even spell his name sadly, the end of Tubby's era at UK. I agree, I think Roy is a great coach, just like Cal, Coach K etc. The name across those jerseys however gets most those kids to play there. They were all successful before the respective coaches were at those schools and will be long after they are gone.

"its not about x's and o's, its about jimmys and joes"